Time for week 6 discussion of Kushiel’s Chosen! Questions from Lynn.
1. We had a bit of a discussion about Kazan in the previous week’s questions, about his nature, double crossing, etc, and whether Phedre was right to save him. What are your . thoughts on Kazan now given these most recent additions. Also, I think we should include his mother in that discussion – it was interesting to finally see her I thought. And, in fact his whole homecoming.
I liked the reunion between Kazan and his mother, that the thetalos may have helped Kazan to forgive as well as be forgiven. I do kind of wonder a bit what was keeping Njesa from Dobrek. Was it more than her guilt?
2. What did you think of the whole ‘tribute’ ship idea – is that your idea of a good plan or your worst nightmare??
Why not both?! It’s very Trojan Horse of them. Only probably much less comfortable.
3. Let’s just talk about the reunion with Joscelin and Phedre. Oh my word! More to the point the changes in both of them and how you think their relationship will now move forward.
!!! I loved how the Yeshuites had prepared the tent for them! Before it’d been said that Joscelin would stand at the crossroads and have to choose over and over again. But here I think we see him making a permanent choice, even if he knows it will hurt him. Joscelin may have guessed a bit about what Phedre had to do to get Kazan’s aid, but I love how unjealous we see Joscelin here. I loved hearing Joscelin’s, Ti Philippe’s, and the Yeshuite’s story of how they found Phedre and what happened on La Dolorosa.
4. Lastly, what do you think Phedre’s plan is – it’s in a temple, she spoke about making retribution in earlier chapters and yet her latest plan seems to have caused gasps of surprise. What do you think we have in store.
Hmm…funny you should ask…I think I was expecting them to go to the balcony and watch things unfold from above, then, at an appropriate time, point the finger at Melisande and force her to unveil herself and hope that the ensuing chaos will foil the assassination attempt or at least cause them to lose the element of surprise, and Ysandre will be escorted to safety.
I loved everything on Kriti, the politics and the personalities. It seemed a bit more lighthearted considering all the heavy stuff Phedre had been through. And I think that (and the visit with the Ban of Illyria) was an important reminder to Phedre and the reader of how insular Terre d’Ange had been and the risk others are willing to take or not take for a nation who had not proved itself to be so willing to provide aid.
edit: also, one more thing that really bothers me. She talks about learning how to throw dice. She says she “became a fair hand at it, for it requires certain deftness of wrist, not unlike some of Naamah’s arts.” Ok, so here all the while I thought throwing dice was about what numbers came up when the dice landed, not how they were thrown or potentially even where they landed, so I’m calling bullshit. And she’s like this a lot, when she talks about taking off someone’s shirt like there’s a particular art to it that she had to practice. That just sounds ridiculous. There are too many simple movements in life that she describes as “oh, we had to learn how to do this in the Night Court.” I don’t think she would have had time, in the what 6 years she was there, to learn or relearn so many movements that she says are art. The dice was is a particularly egregious example because how you throw the dice does not effect on what number it lands.